Zombie Rescue Squad
Raymond Miller & Kathy King - Page 7
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My text is still Green.
The Original Suzan (who uses the email suzan-moody@hotmail.com) still has Black text.
Suzzan (with two z's) uses the email "suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk" and her text is colored purple.
Peter Miller uses the email "
peter.miller17@gmail.com"
and his text is Light Purple.
All parts that are relevant to the zombie subplot are still in red or
dark red
text
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After 131 days I think it is now time for Kathy and Iggy to be rescued from the zombies...
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from:
Raymond Miller
cc:
lechoisir@ifrance.com, kathyisking@fastmail.fm, drrpaula78@gmail.com
,
brism_securit1977@yahoo.com
,
ilikepinkshoes@gmail.com, legalchambars.007@gmail.com, dorothy189@gmail.com
,
peter.miller17@gmail.com
, josmangift@yahoo.com
bcc:
suzanismoody@gmail.com
,
suzann-moody@hotmail.co.uk
,
suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk
, suzan-moody@hotmail.com, suzann_moody@yahoo.com,
mary_jones007@hotmail.com
, suzanmoody@gmail.com
date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Everyone ---
I'm happy to announce that both Iggy and I have been rescued from the zombie-infested quarantine zone and are now safe!!! On behalf of Iggy and myself, we wish to extend our most sincere gratitude to all the people who have helped us to survive this terrible ordeal. At this time I am residing on Antigua island and Iggy, at this very moment, is on a transatlantic flight to his new home in the United States. In particular I wish to thank Zackory Sukmioph who tirelessly campaigned for our rescue and without who's help - we most likely would not have survived.
I would also like to extend my deepest sympathies to friends and relatives of the many thousands of people who have died during the denecrosed zombie outbreak. I, myself, lost many good friends. Among them were Raymond Miller, Oliver "Booger" Lansky and Butch Telgate. (Oliver Lansky was among those killed when zombies over-ran the Hillroy laboratory. Butch Telgate was gored to death by a zombie-bull. And Raymond Miller, after becoming denecrosed himself, died during the administration of a procedure intended to cure him.) These three men, whom I owe my life, died needlessly because of the gross incompetence of the Antigua Island government! I have made it my goal in life to make sure that government policy-makers are held accountable for what they have done!
Once again, I wish to thank all the people who have helped us to survive this terrible ordeal.
--- Kathy King
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The next email is intended to give the scammers the impression that another scammer, posing as "Ray Garvin", was able to scam Kathy out of $80,000. See the "Fake Ray" bait on Page 11.
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from:
Raymond Miller
suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk
, suzan-moody@hotmail.com, suzann_moody@yahoo.com, suzanmoody@gmail.com date: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:37 AM
Ray Garvin and Suzan Moody --- I want you to send my share of the money to my Antigua account I gave you in my last email. When can I expect it to be sent? No, there is no way for me to transfer more money from the abandoned bank because I destroyed the bank's hard drive. Also you told me that you wanted to send a portion of your share to Suzan. Have you done that yet? --- Kathy King
((Attached Fake Email)))
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ray Garvin
Dear Kathy King:
Im glad you're ok. I now have the funds you sent from the dead bank.
Send me you're bank account informations as soon as you have thyme to open one.Meenwhile please tell me if thier is any ways for you to embezzle more money from the dead bank you once work at?If so I wood also be willing to help you move that money for you too.
God bless you much and Iggy to,
Ray Garvin
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from: SUZZAN MOODY
Hello Kathy how are you doing???hope you are okay and fine,
congratulations for being rescued from the Zombie infested island bye for now.
Suzan
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Why have you not responded in all this time??? Your lawyer "Ray Garvin" from "legalchambars.007@gmail.com" has stolen the $80,000.00 I sent him! He is no longer returning my emails! What is going on? --- Kathy
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from: SUZZAN MOODY
Hello Kathy,who is Ray Garvin??? or "legalchambars.007@gmail.com,please can you please tell me more about him cos i dont know him form any where....how are doing???hope you are okay and fine,bye for now.
Suzan
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan? --- Why has your email changed back from "suzanismoody@gmail.com" to "suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk"?!? You told me that "suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk" was a bad email, right? So why are you now using "suzzan-moody@hotmail.co.uk" again???????????????
Ray Garvin is the man you introduced me to while I was on the zombie-infested island
. You told me I could trust him to help me embezzle the money from the abandoned bank. But now that I am safe, he has disappeared with the money I sent to his friend's account! How can you say you don't know who he is? I've attached one of his emails below. Get back to me right away. --- Kathy
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from: Ray Garvin
Dear Kathy King:
Im glad you're ok. I now have the funds you sent from the dead bank.
Send me you're bank account informations as soon as you have thyme to
open one.Meenwhile please tell me if thier is any ways for you to
embezzle more money from the dead bank you once work at?If so I wood
also be willing to help you move that money for you too.
God bless you much and Iggy to,
Ray Garvin
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from: SUZZAN MOODY
Hello Kathy,why are you taking like these,did you think am a fool or what cos i dont even mail you for once that i have changed my Email Address,for you to lied against me is very bad and i dont believe you can do this to me ok.....but i dont have anything to say that i should let God judge me and you for these,more so let me clearify all this to you that i dont know any lawyer that is Ray Garvin,but i know one thing for sure that am innocent of all this rubbish and which Account did you transfer 80,000 usd to can you please forward it to me and your phone number that you are using for now.....
Suzan
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan? --- So what you are telling me is that the person I was communicating with from "suzanismoody@gmail.com" was a fake impostor posing as you? And that the lawyer form "legalchambars.007@gmail.com" is also a fake impostor who lied to me so that he could steal the $80,000 all for himself?!? That would explain why he will not return my emails.
So you say you are the REAL Suzan Moody, right? But how do I know you are telling the truth and not an impostor as well? I don't want to give you my phone number until you prove to me that you are the real Suzan. Are you willing to give me proof? --- Kathy
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from: SUZZAN MOODY
Hello Kathy,Are you not ready to help me again cos i dont tell you that i have lawyer before so what did you want me to do now,Kathy let me know what to do Ok,cos you are now free from Zombie infested island know.
Suzan
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- What kind of help do you need? How do you want me to provide that help? If you want my help, then you must PROVE to me that you are the REAL Suzan Moody and not another fake who will take my money. Are you willing to give me proof? Yes or no? --- Kathy
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from: SUZZAN MOODY
Kathy what did you want me to show you as a real Suzan that you are going to trust me let me know so i will be able to do it OK.
Suzan
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from:
Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Answer all of the following questions to the best of your ability. If you can't remember something, then give it your best guess. Do not leave any question unanswered. If you pass this test (by answering most of the questions correctly) you will have proven that you are the real Suzan and I will do whatever I can to help you. I will do so out of respect for Raymond; I know he would have wanted me to help you. --- Kathy
What is my full name?
What is your full name?
Where are you right now?
What is your current problem and how do you want me to help you solve it?
List all email addresses you have ever used including old ones you don't use anymore.
I was recently rescued from an island where I was in danger. Why was I in danger there?
Where is the island located exactly?
What was preventing me from getting on a small boat and escaping the island on my own?
Other then Raymond, who did I meet on the island that later died?
Who escaped with me from the island and where is he now?
Who was Raymond and how were you related to him?
When and where did Raymond and I meet?
Who was with him when Raymond meet me?
What was Raymond's full name?
Where and when was the last time you saw Raymond face-to-face?
On what date did Raymond die?
How did Raymond die? Provide a detailed explanation. (Detailed response of OVER 35 words required.)
Who is the person most responsible for Raymond's death and why? (Detailed response of OVER 35 words required.)
What did Raymond do for a living and what was he working on?
An outbreak occurred on the island. What was the date of the outbreak?
What kind of outbreak was it? What was it called?
How did the outbreak start? What was the cause of the outbreak? Provide details. (Detailed response of OVER 35 words required.)
What happened immediately after the outbreak started? (Detailed response of OVER 35 words required.)
What are the names of the people most directly responsible for the outbreak?
What was the cause of the outbreak? Provide details. (Detailed response of OVER 35 words required.)
Name one relative of Raymond? What is his or her full name and current location?
At one point you attempted to help me embezzle money off the island. You gave me the bank account information of a woman you considered to be a friend. Unfortunately she stole the money that was sent to her account. What was her name and how much did she steal?
How many days was I trapped on the island?
How did I escape from the island?
Who is the person most directly responsible for rescuing me from the island?
List all of the things that YOU did that helped me to escape from the island.
What important task did I give you to do, but that you were unable to accomplish? Why were you unable to do it?
What important task did I give you to do, but that you refused to do? Why did you refuse to do it?
What is your age?
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from: Raymond Miller
Did you get the email I sent?
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from: Raymond Miller
Did you get the email I sent you?
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Time to say goodbye...
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from: Raymond Miller
I have learned the truth!!! I know you are all Nigerian scammers who have been attempting to steal from me and Iggy's father!!! You are all nothing more then pathetic, ignorant thieves!
All of you, at one time or another, tried to take advantage of Iggy and me when we were trapped on the zombie-infested island! And at least one of you, the Nigerian man calling himself "Suzan", was directly responsible for Raymond's death!!! Your unscrupulous and petty efforts to scam us delayed our rescue and put our lives in unnecessary danger! Your deplorable actions even endangered poor Iggy who's just 7 years old!!! You risked a small boy's life just so you could steal a few hundred dollars?!? I can not think of anything more contemptible than that!?! You are all disgusting, tard-typing, ignorant, Nigerian pigs! I'm very glad you are all trapped in a wretchedly poor third-world piss hole like Nigeria. I would rather go back to the quarantine zone with the zombies then live in the same country where contemptible scum like you are spawned!!!
Do you have anything to say for yourselves?!?!?!? Now that I know the truth, there is no way any of you will ever get money from me. This is...
THE END!!!
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from: Peter Miller
Dear Zachary i have seen someone that wants to help me....i need all your full info of your credit card....some amount of money will be transferred to your account what is the limit of your account? so when you cash the money you will send it to me in uk and help me send it so that i will use it to travel back to america
PETER MILLLER
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from: Raymond Miller
Peter --- I am Kathy, not Zackory. You have sent your email to the wrong person, shit-for-brains. So you want help? I would rather return to the zombie-infested quarantine zone then to ever help contemptible scum like you. Raymond Miller was a brilliant man and a hero. How dare you soil his memory by claiming to be his brother!?! Don't go to American, poor boy. Stay in Nigeria, where ignorant thieves like you belong. --- Kathy
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from: Peter Miller
what do you mean with all these allegation,so this is the right time for you to say that i am from Nigeria,for your information we will have to settle some matter in court when i get to America because i have know through your mail that you are the one responsible for my brother's death.i don't know where you are living ,i don't know your phone number, you are just living around the world we will see when i get back to America.know where you can run to in this world i will find you this piece of seat.
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from: Raymond Miller
Peter --- You are NOT an American. You are Nigerian scum. You are a contemptible, lying, ignorant fraudster. So fuck off, poor boy, no one gives a tinker's piss what you think. --- Kathy
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No responce for two months. It is now April 1st. The one-year aniversity of the zombie outbreak is approching. Someone should say something....
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from: Raymond Miller
Everyone --- I would like to thank all of you who took the time to help me and Iggy. Your royalty checks are in transit which is perhaps the most sincere form of thanks one can receive. If you are one of the contributors who has yet to email your payment information - please do so soon.
April 30 is the one year anniversary of the Antigua island zombie outbreak and I would like to invite everyone to come to the memorial ceremony scheduled for that afternoon. We hope that you will join us in remembering the thousands of people who lost their lives during the zombie outbreak. For those of you unable to attend - there will be an online video feed available.
If you wish to participate please respond to this email. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
Make things clear...didnt get you
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- It has been a very long time since you emailed me last. So you might be unaware of some of the things that has happened.
- As you know, the zombie outbreak started on April 30 2009. The island was quarantined and many died. Your fiance, Raymond, was among the people killed.
- I was eventually rescued from the zombie-infested island by Iggy's father.
- The one-year anniversary of the zombie outbreak will be on April 30 2010. There will be a memorial ceremony on Antigua island that afternoon. You are free to come if you are interested.
- I am currently writing a book about the zombie outbreak and about my experiences in the quarantine zone. Many people have contributed material for the book and I have paid them checks to thank them for helping me.
I hope that has cleared things up. If you would be interested in contributing material for my book - please let me know. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
there is nothing i want to talk about.
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Are you sure? It won't take long and my editor is willing to pay $200 per paragraph if you consent to a short interview. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
I cant write anything am sorry bye
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- I completely understand. Each of us must grieve in her own way. I'm curious to know how you are getting along now. Are you still living in Carson California or have you moved back to Malaysia? Did you ever clear up the problems you had regarding the sale of your late father's textile factory? --- Kathy
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan ---
The memorial ceremony for the one-year anniversary of the zombie outbreak will be on April 30 2010 on Antigua island.
Do you want to come? If so, will you be able to make travel arrangements on your own or would you need help? --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
where will it be and i need help
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- The memorial ceremony will take place at the rectory grounds of the St. Mary's Parish in Urlings on Antigua island at 2:00PM on April 30 2010. The ceremony will bi officiated by the minister of national security Senator Errol Cort and there will bi a musical tribute by Urlings Iron Band and Jamie's Sound. Then
there will also be an unveiling of the Antigua zombie outbreak memorial at 3:00PM.
I'll be glad to help you make travel arrangments. What sort of help do you require? Where are you staying now? Are you still living in Carson California or have you moved back to Malaysia? What is the nearest internationl airport to you? --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
i am here in NC with my husband..if you can but my ticket.
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Your husband? So you are married now? Well, congratulations on your wedding! When did you get married? When and where did you meet the lucky man? What does "NC" stand for? North California? New Caledonia? or what? I can purchase your ticket for you if you need me to. Will your husband be comeing with you and what is the nearest internationl airport to you? --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
North Carolina ............Aleigh-Durham International Airport
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Did you mean "Raleigh" or "Aleigh" airport? Will your husband be coming with you or not? When did you get married? When and where did you meet him? I assume you will be available to travel between April 28 and May 2, right? --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
you like to ask too much question that is one of the reason i dont reply to your emails...i told you i am married
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- Mon Dieu! Well, then, I will do my very best to never again ask you another question! YOU said you needed help buying your ticket. I don't know how you expect me to do that. I have given you the time, date and location of the memorial ceremony. If you don't need my help to get there - then come on your own. If you DO require my help to buy your ticket - then you know how to contact me. Au revoir. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
if you want me to come i am free and i already told my husband.
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- I DO want you to come. If you don't need my help - then I will see you there. If you DO need my help - then you will need to both ASK me for help and tell me exactly HOW you want me to help you. I am not amused by your cryptic, one-sentence responses. Nor am a mind-reader, Suzan. If you have something to say, be clear and thorough. Bonne journée. --- Kathy
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- If you DO need my help to buy tickets - then you will need to ASK me soon as the date is approaching. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
what information do you need to get the ticket?
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- This is the information I need to purchase your ticket and send it to you:
1) Date you wish to leave.
2) Airport you wish to leave from. (Check Spelling)
3) Number of passengers.
4) Full name of each passenger.
5) Your mailing address in North Carolina.
6) Date you wish to return.
--- Kathy
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from: Raymond Miller
Everyone --- My book about the
Antigua island zombie outbreak
has finally been sent to the publishers! I would like to thank all of you who took the time to contribute. I've dedicated the book to Raymond Miller and the thousands of people who lost their lives during the outbreak. All my love, --- Kathy
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from: Raymond Miller
Suzan --- I am sorry you missed the memorial ceremony. I hope everything is fine where you are. --- Kathy
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from: Suzan Moody
can u stop contacting me u and ur friends.......bye
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from: Raymond Miller
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
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from: Suzan Moody
lol...because u are unable to scam me:D......hahaha
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from: Raymond Miller
ME scam YOU?!? That's the pot calling the kettle Nigerian! Let me make this clear to you, dickless. I am a BAITER. I am one of the good guys. YOU are the SCAMMER. You are one of the bad guys. You are also one of the most stupid scammers I have ever encountered. I actually fooled your sorry ass into believing that I was trapped on a island infested by zombies. LOL! You are an ignorant, lazy, unscrupulous thief. I wonder what weighs more... the lead in your ass, the bile in your heart or the shit in your brain?
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from: Suzan Moody
lol...why are upset, because i didnt get the money for you..huh
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from: Raymond Miller
No, fool. Apparently you are too ignorant to understand what I wrote. I guess it's the shit in your brains that weighs more?
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from: Suzan Moody
shit happen.
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from: Raymond Miller
Wow! You can't even write a two-word sentence correctly. How pathetic. No wonder you Nigerians are so wretchedly poor. Goodbye.
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from: Suzan Moody
rich man....lol.
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from: Raymond Miller
bla bla bla
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from: Raymond Miller
bla bla? bla bla bla bla? bla?
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from: Raymond Miller
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
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from: Raymond Miller
bla?
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from: Raymond Miller
bla bla bla BLA bla? bla bla bla, bla bla (bla) bla. LOL!
from: Raymond Miller
bla bla bla? Bla bLa blA!
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from: Suzan Moody
STOP EMAILLING ME.
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from: Raymond Miller
What will you do if I DON'T stop? There is nothing that a poor naija punk like you can do about it. So I think I will just keep doing what ever the hell I feel like, bitch... Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla (Infinity)
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla BLA!
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from: Suzan Moody
WHO THE FUCK IS YOU.........STOP SENDIN ME EMAIL I DONTKNOW YOU NOR ANYON OF YOU.......DELETE ME FROM YUR LIST....WHY ARE YOU TRYIN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ME..............
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from: Raymond Miller
I am bla bla bla. You know me as Mr. bla bla bla from bla bla bla, bla. You are on the bla bla list of Nigerian bla blas attempting to bla bla bla and bla. You are being bla bla bla because you are an ignorant bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla who could not find his own ass with both bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. You also tried to bla bla bla bla bla while zombies bla bla bla bla bla bla. I hope that answered your questions.
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from: Raymond Miller
And lets not forget that it was you who bla bla bla bla bla on the same day that bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. So I contacted the bla bla bla bla bla and bal bla bla of bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla department with bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla and bla bla too.
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from: Raymond Miller
I have a serious question to ask of you - why did you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla?
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... bla bla bla BLA!
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...
1) Bla bla
2) Bla
3) BLA bla blaaaaaa.
Can you do that? Can you? Bla?
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla up side your fool head with a bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!
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from: Raymond Miller
Did your mother intentionally raise you to be a bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla? Did she not teach you bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla or at least bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla?
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from: Suzan Moody
YOU ARE FOOL.........I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.fuck off.
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from: Raymond Miller
You know who I am?!?... Oh! I am soooooo scared! Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Please don't hurt me! I.... Hey... wait a minute. How do I know you REALLY know who I am? You might just be bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla and bla bla bla bla bla. Right? Now that I think about it - I bet you have no fucking idea who I really am or bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla... If you REALLY know who I am, then TELL me what you think my name is, fool! After all, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla your small brain can't bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. At least that is what your mother told me, little man.
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla - BLA??? Bla bla bla blaaaaaa.
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla zombies?
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. Bla bla bla blaaaa?
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla bla bla denecrosis bla bla bla bla!!! Bla bla bla bla bank account busted? Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla your small penis bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla BLA!
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from: Raymond Miller
Bla bla bla bla. Or bla bla bla blaaaaaaaaaa?
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THE END
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